Who we are ,

Meet the team

Who we are, meet the team

meet the team

Who we are,

Meet the team

Heidi Lance

Our Director, Heidi wants to make a difference.

Heidi believes in keeping it real which is why she called our learning design company Real Learning.

You’ll see this in Heidi’s approach. She is pragmatic and believes that learning should equip you with what you need to get results in the real world, whether that be a more engaged team, a safer team, more sales or better customer experience.

With nearly 20 years of experience in learning design, development and facilitation, Heidi has experience working across numerous industries including construction, grocery, energy, banking and retail. She is a highly experienced learning and development strategist, an engaging facilitator and learning designer of industry leading learning tools.

Heidi is an accredited facilitator of 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, Everything DiSC and is GENOS EI accredited through OPRA Psychology Group.

Charlee Neubrandt


As Project Manager, Charlee is responsible for the planning and execution of all Real Learning projects. She stays connected with clients from the proposal through to delivery, ensuring that every project is delivered on time, hitting the high standards Real Learning pride themselves on.
Getting projects out the door is Charlee’s passion, but she also gets involved with the instruction design and development, applying her background in sales and customer service to the programmes.

Zoe Burt


Zoe is passionate to create real behavioural change. She believes in creating compelling and engaging learning for organisations to drive real success within their people.
Zoe works as a Learning Designer, where she is responsible for working with subject matter experts, analysing and applying best practice trends in learning technologies, instructional design, devising models of assessment, and facilitating face-to-face workshops.

Torin John


Torin has a keen eye for design and enjoys bringing stories to life. He is the digital and media developer at Real Learning and is responsible for creating collateral to support our learning and is involved in filming, designing, and developing our e-learning material.

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Joan Mather

Joan is a forward-thinking, results-oriented and passionate organisational development professional who has successfully lead internal and consulting OD teams. She has had critical roles in global organisations, her most recent being:

· Global Head, OD (Interim).

· Group Talent Manager, Fletcher Building.

· OD Manager, Coca-Cola Amatil NZ.

· Principal, OD with Sheffield.

As director, Joan works with clients to create exceptional value through developing inspiring future leaders, high-performing teams and collaborative, engaged and inclusive cultures. She is an engaging and impactful facilitator and coach and designs “fit-for-purpose” solutions and programmes to deliver desired outcomes. She draws on her extensive experience, professional network and client feedback to ensure her work continues to make a real difference!

Real learning is a small team, with a large network of trusted experts that we bring in to help us with projects when we need to. This means that we can make sure we have the best people on the job.

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